tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8140753599557753204.post2442927420308008222..comments2023-10-07T10:28:30.712-04:00Comments on Oooh, nuance!: You're Either With Us, or Against Us?madamabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13182478139356658751noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8140753599557753204.post-834081865438369022008-07-07T23:05:00.000-04:002008-07-07T23:05:00.000-04:00CD and sister of ye - you both make excellent poin...CD and sister of ye - you both make excellent points.<BR/><BR/>CD - Abortion is such a false issue for the Republicans. They will never overturn Roe v. Wade, since it is their number one recruitment tool. You are right, their numbers would be halved if we could get beyond the sexism and misogyny that allows women to be penalized for deciding to control their own bodies.<BR/><BR/>Sister of ye - That is my main problem with the pro-lifers in general. If they want to force women to have unwanted babies, then they should support the societal safety net that is necessary to care for those babies. Yet they don't. Again, this is deep misogyny disguised as religiosity. <BR/><BR/>I don't believe that all pro-lifers are cruel and judgmental, for some truly believe abortion is murder. They just need to follow up on what they're advocating and think of the consequences of their actions from a legislative standpoint.madamabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13182478139356658751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8140753599557753204.post-65506680768046731262008-07-07T22:44:00.000-04:002008-07-07T22:44:00.000-04:00No offense meant to you or your mother, cognitive ...No offense meant to you or your mother, cognitive dissonance, but religious "pro-lifers" strike me as extremely shallow and dishonest.<BR/><BR/>I have yet to see religious picketers at the fertility clinics that toss uncounted numbers of embryos each year. Yes, the Catholic Church is nominally against them, but it has never cranked up its supporters to action as it has against abortion clinics, even reproductive health clinics for whom abortion is only part of their services.<BR/><BR/>I have also yet to see these churches seriously push for programs like universal health care that would guarantee medical care for pregnant mothers and children. I have yet to see them pushing for social service programs that could help unprepared mothers in raising unexpected children.<BR/><BR/>Most of all, I don't see them lining up to volunteer to be there for 18 years and more to love those babies they insist be born. And that includes Barack Obama.sister of yehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03766037654254262042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8140753599557753204.post-41529831951956497132008-07-07T15:35:00.000-04:002008-07-07T15:35:00.000-04:00Great post, madamab. I have also been extremely di...Great post, madamab. I have also been extremely disturbed about the Obama wing of the party trying to force democrats into lockstep, emulating the republican party.<BR/><BR/>On the wingnut side of the aisle, I think part of this has to do with the abortion issue. Both parties have been getting a certain number of votes for many years based on nothing but their stance on this issue. My mother is a good example. If it weren't for the fact that most democrats are pro choice, she would almost certainly be a democrat because she agrees with us on every other issue. But to her, that is a religious issue she would have a hard time compromising on. (Even so, she was ready to vote for Hillary in November because Hillary actually spoke with a group of Pro Lifers and told them she would work with them to reduce the number of abortions).<BR/><BR/>I know this isn't exactly the point of your post, but just wanted to point out that some of the "lockstep" occurs because of the polarizing issue of abortion. I've long believed that the Republican party would be reduced by half if we were to ever get beyond that issue as a society. The Roe v. Wade issue is what keeps evangelicals in the Republican Party. I have a feeling that this is what is behind Obama's pandering - trying to pick them off and get them into his column. But it isn't going to work. The first thing these people think of when they put Obama and religion together is Rev. Wright ranting and raving from the pulpit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8140753599557753204.post-50701628922023573832008-07-07T12:30:00.000-04:002008-07-07T12:30:00.000-04:00Ted - Your comment was rejected because your only ...Ted - Your comment was rejected because your only purpose appears to be to use my blog to promote someone else's site. Further, I have already stated I will not vote for John McCain.<BR/><BR/>If you can't comment on the content of this site, then please do not comment at all. Thank you.madamabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13182478139356658751noreply@blogger.com